GLAMOUR.com: Four years ago, Glamour‘s cover featured an up-and-coming Kentucky-born actress named Jennifer Lawrence, “on the cusp,” we wrote, “of being mega-famous.” Well, “mega-famous” doesn’t even begin to describe it: Since then, Lawrence has starred in blockbusters, won an Oscar, and launched a thousand GIFs with her self-deprecating pizza gags and red-carpet pratfalls. She’s also pulled off a hugely difficult Hollywood feat: being both immensely likeable and seriously ballsy, taking stands on issues like fair pay for women. When the Sony hack spilled correspondence that revealed she’d been paid substantially less than her male costars on American Hustle, she jabbed back with an essay in Lena Dunham’s newsletter Lenny, taking aim at the double standards that sometimes pressure women to act nicer, and negotiate less, than their male peers. “I want to fly under the radar,” she says, but “my mouth has just made it impossible.” Well, good!
In this interview with Glamour editor-in-chief Cindi Leive in the February issue of Glamour (see the full story on newsstands today, or download the digital edition here), she weighs in on everything from her style (“slutty power lesbian”) to her outrage at the recent assaults on Planned Parenthood (“it’s an attack on women”). Oh?and Amy Schumer, Adele, and Larry David make appearances. Listen in.
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JENNIFER LAWRENCE: Oh God. This is my least favorite part. As soon as somebody’s like, ?And you said,? I?m like, ?Oh God. Oh no.?
JL: It?s really lovely. Very nice…. It took a few years to adjust. I didn?t really realize how angry and distorted I felt. For, like, probably a solid three years. It had nothing to do with Hunger Games?. It had to do with the thing that came with Hunger Games. I still felt entitled to a certain life that I just wasn?t allowed to have [anymore]. I felt like I had the right to say, ?I don?t want to be photographed right now, I don?t want people outside my house right now, I don?t want my nephews in People.? I felt so much anger of ?Why can?t I just do my job?? And then you just get used to it?and it just is.
JL: I don?t, but that helps. [Laughs.] I do have an idea. I think that we should be allowed time off. Like?
JL: Yes. Three months. ?Oh, it?s my three months off. You can?t photograph me.? I would love to be able to control being photographed. Then I wouldn?t have a new headline out today that I wore the same jeans three days in a row. [Laughs.] I was like, ?First of all, yes, I did. Second of all, f–k you, yes, I did.? [Laughs.] But I hate the ?movie star blues.? We are so lucky, and I love my life. I wouldn?t take any of it back for anything. So I don?t like complaining about it.
JL: Yeah. I?m addicted to work. And acting. I don?t know how to describe it?reading a script is like a map. [But] it?s on set, finding that character, feeling the emotions, getting that adrenaline?it is such a rush. Developing a character is the only thing in the world I feel 100 percent confident in, that I understand. I still have that feeling from being a teenager: ?I?m good at this, and I like this.? So I want to keep doing it, because it makes me feel good about myself.
JL: Joy?s lovely. [Laughs.] Both Joys are lovely. My Joy [the character] and [the real] Joy. I have Joy Mangano hangers all over my closet. They?re brilliant. I have her steamer too.
JL: No, I don?t. I?m not gonna bullsh-t; I don?t do my own mopping. [Laughs.]
JL: That was what was exciting about the story when David pitched it to me. It?s all four seasons of success?before, when you don?t believe in yourself; when you do believe in yourself, and nobody else does; and then all of the awful things that come afterward. And I liked the beginning, when she wants more than what life has bestowed onto her. She has this frustration that?s not very likable, to lie next to your children and say, ?I feel like I?m in a prison.? But it?s true. Everybody has this idea: You have children, and your entire life is complete. That?s how I imagine it. I imagine I?ll have children and then my whole life will just seem complete.
JL: But you can have children and love them with all your heart and soul, and love your family, and it?s still OK to have a fire in you. That doesn?t have anything to do with your family. That has to do with you. She has a gift?and she can?t shut it up.
JL: No. It was the opposite. I grew up in Kentucky, so nobody was like, ?You?re gonna be a movie star.? [Laughs.] There just wasn?t a possibility. And then, when I told my parents when I was 14 that I wanted to move to New York and become an actress, they were like, ?Well, no. Obviously.? And I just wouldn?t shut up about it. I had already saved up babysitting money. So I was like, ?I?m going.?
JL: I?ve always been a real stickler with money. I wouldn?t buy things from the concession stand. I never knew what I was saving for until New York hit my mind. And then I was like, ?That?s what I?ve been saving for?. I?m going.? And they were like, ?Well, we don?t want her to die.? [So] my brother came with me?. But they were like, ?You can try it for the summer, and then you have to come back and finish school.?
JL: Yeah. My mom always says she?wanted me to fail so that I could come home, because not failing meant me being in New York. She lost a daughter, really, at 14. I mean, she?s very proud of me. She got on board when she saw how happy it made me. Because I knew. Emma Stone and I?we stayed up until, like, six in the morning talking about it the other night. We both were just like, ?I just knew.?
JL: My cousin and I were talking last night about what we wanted to do with our dead bodies. And I?m like, ?I want my ashes scattered on Lake Cumberland.? And when I said it out loud, I was like, ?Wow. You really are still rooted in your redneck [ways].? [Laughs.] But basically it?s a certain grit. Everything?s very family oriented. Nobody knows or cares about designers. I care! But I didn?t used to.
JL: Pretty recently. I think I had to take control.? It was like, if I don?t start getting an opinion, I?m just gonna be like a puppet that?s being dressed by everybody else.
JL: ?Slutty power lesbian.? That is literally what I say to a stylist. [Laughs.] I don?t know if that?s offensive?
JL: Well, first of all, Dior is its own house that?s very feminine and beautiful; this past press tour every dress was just phenomenal. So you don?t see me as a slutty power lesbian on the red carpet a lot, because I?m embodying the Dior woman, which is an honor.? But [also] I?ve got tits and an ass. And there are things that are made for skinny people?like a lot of embroidery, or it covers a lot?and those make me look fat. I have to show the lumps. If you have boobs, you have to show, like, ?These are boobs. This isn?t cellulite.? [Laughs.] Not that there?s anything wrong with that.
JL: Yeah, we broke that record, and I didn?t even realize. As women we don?t know we?re at a deficit because we have vaginas. It wasn?t until they had a headline like, ?Even though she?s a woman!? And I was like, ?Oh. I didn?t know to be looking out for that.? [Baby voice] ?How did this wittle vagina manage that? I carried a whooole movie.? [Laughs.] ?How did I do it, getting a period once a month??
JL: We had to take a week off every month.? I had to go to my red tent in the desert and wait it out. [Laughs.]?[But] I think there was this studio mentality for a long time that women and girls can relate to a male hero, but boys and men can?t relate to a female hero. But that?s simply not true. And so we?ve fortunately proved that.
JL: It was so personal that it was scary.? I keep going back and forth on being opinionated. I completely agree when there are actors who say, ?Actors should stay out of politics. We?re not politicians.? [And] my business is based on everybody buying tickets and seeing my movie.? It?s not smart, businesswise, to be opinionated. But then what?s the point in having a voice at all if I?m not going to use it for what I truly believe in?
JL: Of course. And the women?s pay gap is a real thing that a lot of people don?t know about. It hasn?t been in our consciousness; it wasn?t in mine. I don?t think it was Sony?s fault [that I was paid less than my male costars inAmerican Hustle]. I don?t think it was anybody?s fault. I wanted to open up about how my mentality got in my way.
JL: Because Sony?s a business. You?re not gonna give somebody more money if they don?t ask for it. They?ve got to fit a million movie stars into one movie. They?re trying to realistically make this happen. You know, [after theLenny essay came out] my agent was like, ?God, I feel like I look like a terrible agent.? Well, no, because you have to do everything I say. And I said, ?Settle.? ?Cause I just wanted to do the movie; it wasn?t about money to me at the time. But all the actors were doing that. None of us were getting our [usual] quotes. But the difference in who was getting a little less, and a lot less, than their quote was very vast. And I wanted to write about how I got in my own way. ?Cause I assume that in negotiating, the men were tough as balls.
JL: If I was quiet, it would have seemed like I was ashamed. And I wasn?t ashamed; I was enraged. Not once have I felt like I ?learned a lesson.? I didn’t do anything wrong!
JL: Even I’ve defended myself by saying I was in a relationship with a wonderful man for five years. But even if I wasn’t, even if I [just] went on a date with a guy?it doesn?t matter what the situation is. It’s your body. And you can do whatever you want.
JL: We finished our first draft today. We gave birth today!
JL: Four months. Four months. I saw Trainwreck in July, and I emailed her. I just knew: ?This bitch needs to write a movie for me.?
JL: Well, I didn?t know ?with? at first. I emailed her and was like, ?Write something for us.? I?ve never done anything like that before. The next day she wrote back with a story line, which is unheard of. And now it?s complete, and it?s good! But it?s definitely not a politically correct film. [Laughs.] ?Amy?s the most empathetic person I?ve ever met in my life. When she came over this morning, she was crying. She had just?seen the news about the shooting at Planned Parenthood. It?s so awful?. It isn?t an attack on abortions; it?s an attack on women. Because Planned Parenthood is so much more [than abortion]. My mom was really religious with me when I was young. She?s not so much anymore. And I wouldn?t have been able to get birth control if it weren?t for Planned P. I wouldn’t have been able to get condoms and birth control and all these things I needed as a normal teenager who was growing up in a Jesus house.
JL: Yes, I did. And now [gestures widely] I am a successful woman who has not had a pregnancy.
JL: Thank you. [Laughs.] But seriously. What harm comes from supplying people with birth control, condoms, Pap smears, and cancer screenings?
JL: It?s back. I?m officially a virgin.
JL: No, it?s that I?m picky. I feel a spark very, very rarely. And it?s really only about spark for me. Not really anything else. You should see some of the people I find attractive. [Laughs.] You?d be shocked.
JL: I gave Larry David my number. And he never called. [Laughs.]
JL: Which makes him even more attractive. I love that he didn?t call me. It makes him so much hotter.
JL: Yes! I masturbated to it. [Laughs.] Joking. Obviously didn?t.
JL: I?ll love him from afar. [Laughs.] I don?t, like, date a lot. I don?t meet a lot of guys who I want to go on a date with. I?ll find a guy attractive maybe once a year. But I?m not a lonely person. Me not dating someone is not a lack of anything in any way. I feel completely fulfilled. Yes, when I spark with someone, it?s exciting, but I definitely don?t need that.
JL: I love Emma. She cracks me up; she?s so ?theater.? She?s so adorable. And Adele and I met, like, a year or so ago. Adele and I are a bit harsher; Emma?s never had a bad thought about anybody in her life. It’s so weird; I don?t like new people. But these two women?and Amy?they?re really lovely. And they’re so normal. I feel like I?m hanging out with my friends?my friends that don’t give a f–k about what I do. Amy and I have a life plan?we were with Diane Sawyer in Martha?s Vineyard for Thanksgiving. Not to brag. Diane politely threw it out, and then we?re sitting at the dinner table with her family, like, ?We shouldn?t be here.? Anyway, Amy?s always wanted to live on Martha?s Vineyard, and we saw this house, and we?re like, ?This is where we?re gonna Grey Gardens, and we?re gonna grow old and crazy together.? That’s our life plan.
JL: I?ve wanted it for a long time. My first director was a female director, at 16, Lori Petty [in The Poker House]. I got bit by the same bug that bit me with acting. I?ve tried to absorb every director I?ve worked with like a sponge. I?ve been making notes for seven years.
JL: Yeah. But I?m a little meaner. [Laughs.] Chris Pratt is always in a good mood. We laugh all day?. He’s like a chocolate Santa. He?s just like if a dog came to life and was like, ?I?m a great actor with a perfect face.? And he?s got the most lovely family. When I met Anna [Faris, Pratt?s wife], I was like, ?Go f–k yourselves.? I mean that in the nicest possible way. They?re like a Nicholas Sparks novel?just like, ?Ewww! But I want it!? But he’s also a great actor.
JL: He?s an amazing actor and is making this movie a lot better.
JL: I think I think pretty cruelly. [Laughs.] Never act on it.
JL: I spilled milk this morning. Last night I spilled red wine all over the rug. All I want to be able to do is just walk from one place to another without falling! It?s so annoying, honestly. And now I’ve gone from the charming, like, ?Oh my God, whoops, I fell??now it really pisses me off. ?Cause it?s embarrassing now. So now I fall, and I’m like, ?Stop looking at me! Don?t take a picture!?
JL: That?s why it’s embarrassing! That?s why I want to be able to stop doing it. When I fell the second year at the Oscars, I was just like, ?F–k.? ?Cause I would think the same exact thing. I know it looks like a gag. It’s really, really not.
JL: No, because then that?s more exposure?that?s just more me. I want less me. I want people to have less me.
JL: But they do! They don’t know that they do. But when they get more me, they?ll hate me. If they don’t already.
JL: I don?t feel like I?m misunderstood. I feel like I?m over-paid-attention-to. I?m not trying to be a GIF. I?m not trying to be a picked-up-on-Twitter quote. All I’m trying to do is act. And I have to promote these movies. And I am, at the end of the day, I guess, a f–king lunatic. So if you record what I?m saying, it?s gonna be goofy. [Laughs and throws arms out.] What do I do? What do I do? I’m just a girl, sitting in front of the world and asking them to forgive her for speaking.